Investing in Marines — Getting the best return: Carl Forsling

Carl Forsling
Maj USMC (ret)

Carl Forsling is a retire Marine Osprey pilot , businessman and a writer for the website Task & Purpose.  He joined the program to talk about his article that won the Marine Corp Gazette’s 2016 Kiser Family Irregular Warfare Essay Contest with his entry entitled:  Investing in Marines: Getting the Best Return.

Carl also discusses how a MV-22 Osprey executes a controlled water landing.

ARE THE BENEFITS OF HELO DUNKER TRAINING WORTH THE EFFORT? Mike, Mike and Will Costantini

The Gunner
Afghanistan
2011
Will Costantini
Col USMC (ret)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Will Constantini joined Mike & Mike to discuss:  Is “Helo Dunker” training worth the time it takes out of the training schedule given the need to be MORE PROFICIENT at higher priority tasks that will be executed on a much more frequent basis?

FACT:  it’s an extremely low probability event

FACT:  we don’t create proficiency of any kind in our current training

FACT:  Helo Dunker training takes lots of time

BOTTOM LINE:  Is the juice worth the squeeze given the current state of training REQUIREMENTS vs TIME in the Marine Corps?

HELO DUNKER COMMENT: Patrick Melton

 I would like to add the following comments to your recent show discussing the crash of the 31st MEU.
The helo dunker is decent training, I say decent because their is NO WAY anyone can make the dunker realistic. The speed and violence that is involved in an actual crash can’t be duplicated in a controlled environment. Your guest mentioned how they can’t have the amount of gear that Marines usually take on the bird as well.

One thing that your guest stated was talking about the egress points of the MV-22, I would say that knowing your egress points are only moderately important since there is no saying that the bird will be in only one piece. People who have never been in a crash are only providing a second hand opinion, I say this because I have first hand experience in this.

We crashed Aug 29th, 1986.

The helo we were in broke into 5 pieces after we hit another helo on the flight deck, we had crossed into the Arctic Circle earlier that day and the water temperature was 42degrees. It is a tragedy to lose any Marine, to have only lost 3 out of 26 is truly a miracle. We lost 8 out of 21 on our crash…..

The Corps needs to do a much better job of preparing our Marines for these type of crashes.

Semper Fi

Patrick Melton

31ST MEU OSPREY CRASH – HELO DUNKERS & MIRACLES: Mike & Mike

MV-22 Osprey

The Boys discuss the tragic events over the weekend that left three 31st MEU Marines missing and presumed dead off the eastern coast of Australia.

How often do deploying Marines go through “helo dunker” training?

What happens when a Osprey or helo hits the water?  How are Marines taught to react?

Is it different if the aircraft enters the water in a “controlled” or “uncontrolled” manner?

Are you a fan of the Osprey?

Musselman & McNamara talk about it.

HOW DOES AN AMERICAN WARSHIP OPERATE AT SEA AT NIGHT? Josh Brooks

Josh Brooks, CDR USN (ret)

Josh Brooks, CDR USN (ret), a career Surface Warfare Officer joins us to explain in detail:

(1) How is an American warship configured to operate on a 24-hour cycle at sea?

(2)  How the “Navigation Watch” is setup?

(3)  What goes on in the ship’s CIC (Combat Information Center = USMC COC) vs “the Bridge”?

(4) The challenge of doing damage control after any accident on a vessel at sea.

Josh does at GREAT job explaining how a US Naval Warship operates on a 24 hour basis while out sea.  He also does a great job explaining the immediate actions